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| June 2, 2010, 14:17 | |
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Dennis
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Ok some OO-question. I'm using PHP. It's been 4 years and nearly forgot everything. How does this "protected" work again? private is in the class, public is from everywhere. then what is protected? i.e. class Condom { public $nudity; private $parts; protected $dick; } Who can access what? Thanks. ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 2, 2010, 23:41 | |
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Fiona
games are terrible -9616558 posts 
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Private members cannot be redefined by child class definitions but protected ones can. Other than that they work the same.
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| June 5, 2010, 01:03 | |
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Htbaa
Perl 368 posts 
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They don't work the same. Protected members can by accessed from outside the object, only inside and within derived classes. Private members also can't be accessed from outside the object and neither can derived classes. ____________ blog.htbaa.com |
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| June 7, 2010, 11:36 | |
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Dennis
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I won't be needing protection then since I don't derrive shit. Top of that, error handling is quite omslachtig in PHP, but i managed to do it eventually. ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 7, 2010, 20:20 | |
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Htbaa
Perl 368 posts
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How is error handling cumbersome? Use exceptions. Further more you can almost catch all other errors by setting a error handler by your own.
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| June 14, 2010, 10:22 | |
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Dennis
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I implemented it now. Thanks for replying. Off the record: It is cucumbersome in that way that it only catches user-defined exceptions and you have to override the standard (just display the shit) as a function with limited parameters and handle them. This makes sure the "require <file>" is not working anymore (it simply doesn't execute in case of a grave error, even a parse error). The solution is not to use "require" at all and use OO-design in every possible way. But if a program already exists it is often not the best solution to convert the whole system to an OO-design. Time = money. No, PHP is not my friend anymore, it crashes if it becomes too big, it can't handle threads to solve this, and it is awesomely slow unless you install alterative caching packages and stuff. It doesn't support namespaces, but it DOES support Object Oriented design. I'm kinda familiar with the "i" format for minutes by now, but what's wrong with "MI" like... ALL(?) other langauges. A good thing is, that it is widely supported and billions of people use it. in dutch I'd say: PHP is huis-, tuin- en keukensoftware. ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 14, 2010, 13:31 | |
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Dennis
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My apologies! It seems PHP can even read!  PHP code: ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 14, 2010, 22:16 | |
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Htbaa
Perl 368 posts
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That's why === is better. I hate PHP with a passion. Even with caching, such as XCache, it's fucking slow. In a general Zend Framework MVC app a request can simply take up to 500ms without doing much. That's just too much... PHP does support namespaces, but only since PHP 5.3. Any sane language defines namespaces like this: my.special.space or My::Special::Space. But not PHP, no, they use my/special/space. Yay for readability! And they say Perl is horrible? Morons. Development on PHP 6 has been halted because they can't get their crap together with Unicode. I'm not saying I could do it, but it's a bit strange they just halt development because they bump into an obstacle. When possible I try to use Perl and am planning on doing new projects at work in Perl as well. Ah yes, the wonderful world of Perl. It has Moose, Template-Toolkit, Dancer, Catalyst, Plack/PSGI, DBIx::Class and so much more. Perl makes me happy. ____________ blog.htbaa.com |
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| June 17, 2010, 10:44 | |
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Zosma
Senior Procrastinator 99 posts 
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What is the problem with a different token for the namespaces? I really fail to see why a 'sane' language uses a dot or double semicolon, and PHP is suddenly moronic for using a slash. What does it matter. I mean, there are some good arguments against PHP, but I don't think this one is. ____________ Fuck a duck |
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| June 17, 2010, 12:57 | |
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Dennis
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PHP is all about context. If you use PHP for the wrong doeleinden you end up in a mess. Websites? Dynamic websites? Awesome! Logging and data transfers at night for a production db? Hell no... I don't even get why they go Object-Oriented with it, it's not made for OOP. ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 20, 2010, 18:56 | |
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Htbaa
Perl 368 posts
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Readability Zosma. Slashes don't really help with that. Lots of languages support namespaces and do it either through dots or double semicolons. None of them uses slashes. This just doesn't seem right: Code: $object = new some\piece\of\shit(); http://php.net/manual/en/langu … s.rationale.php [Edited on June 20, 2010 by Htbaa] ____________ blog.htbaa.com |
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| July 6, 2010, 13:06 | |
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Dennis
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I wonder why they just don't use arrows like accessing object methods and fields. $object = new mammals->humans->faeces->shit(); ____________ Kwakkel |
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| July 7, 2010, 21:10 | |
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joebeard
Bearded 9 posts 
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Because arrows aren't much easier to read, and also -> is used to access members of objects referenced by a pointer e.g. SomeClass a*; ... a->someMemberFunction(...); I personally prefer using . because I tend to code in actionscript mostly at work and so it's grown on me... like a discussing puss filled wart. ____________ Enjoying a lovely evening with Sander Cohen |
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| July 16, 2010, 12:50 | |
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Dennis
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I prefer "." too, php doesn't.
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| July 18, 2010, 17:28 | |
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Htbaa
Perl 368 posts
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PHP depresses me. I've ranted a bit about it too: http://blog.htbaa.com/programm … ences-your-mood
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| July 22, 2010, 09:44 | |
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Dennis
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-_- I'm not fond of PHP myself either, however if you like to embed HTML, and to make common or garden applications with even a small database, it's not a bad choice, but don't try to analyse a production back-end system with PHP. You should be amputated of your arms if you even think about it. One of the worst things about PHP is upgrading your shit shows you 2003898 warnings like: "OMFG the SHIT u using is nao deprecated!!!11ONEONE" on your FUCKING screen by default. ____________ Kwakkel |
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| July 25, 2010, 01:06 | |
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Htbaa
Perl 368 posts
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Even more funnier, they've released the latest 5.2 update and suddenly announced an instant end-of-life for the 5.2 series. Of course, I've ranted about it: http://blog.htbaa.com/programm … get-excited-yet ____________ blog.htbaa.com |
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| September 5, 2010, 19:46 | |
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Fiona
games are terrible -9616558 posts
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There are no reasons to use PHP.
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| October 13, 2010, 09:43 | |
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Dennis
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Reasons to use PHP: - Everything else fails - You're bored to the death - You are forced to by someone - You simply do not know better - It has most hits in Google ____________ Kwakkel |
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