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| July 4, 2007, 16:28 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts 
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It seems Juan has abandoned the Fenix Project. He says something about bad criticism, but I don't understand it all. Perhaps some Spanish dude could enlighten us? http://forum.divsite.net/viewthread.php?tid=5206 In any case I find this most tragic. The work he has done was great and extensive. He added much of people's requests, including my own and fixed a list of bugs. I hope work on Fenix will continue again in the future. Cheers, Juan. Thanks. ____________ BennuWiki Yes, my avatar has grey borders in IE (so get a decent browser) ROOFLEZ ROOFLEZ |
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| July 4, 2007, 17:07 | |
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Rincewind
programmer 1545 posts 
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The topic title "Tragic loss of Juan" made me think he just died which luckily isn't the case, mind changing it?  I can't really follow the Spanish thread well enough to see what's the argument about exactly, but it can hardly be worth dropping the Fenix Project. I've been very happy with all the improvements and bug fixes, Juan has done a great job so far, and I really think he should continue. Most people have been very happy with Juan working on Fenix, so I think he shouldn't let himself be put off by some negative comments while the majority of feedback he gets is positive. I'm sure he could get the project to a version 1.0 if he would want to. ____________ Personal website: http://www.loijson.com |
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| July 4, 2007, 17:23 | |
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(. )( .)
top pussy 447 posts 
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Bad criticism comes with democracy. LONG LIVE COMMUNISM! ____________ gay |
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| July 4, 2007, 18:32 | |
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PEader
お前はもう死んでいる 1486 posts 
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The topic also made me think Juan was hit by a car. Shame on you Sandman, shame.
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| July 4, 2007, 19:12 | |
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(. )( .)
top pussy 447 posts
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OH THE SHAME! You thought this PEader. Maybe you wished this. You sure did after reading the post. Just admit it. It's all on you. ____________ gay |
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| July 5, 2007, 01:17 | |
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Transdiv
Whiskered 38 posts |
Well; The main reason of Juan is because of bad criticism, to be honest, Juan response looks a over-reaction; Its impossible to have only good critics, but anyway, he is free to do what he wants and we can only thanks Juan because the work he did.
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| July 5, 2007, 02:25 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts
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I wonder what in the world the bad criticism could be...what in (. )( .)'s name could be bad about his additions? And about the topic title: it was intentional. 
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| July 5, 2007, 02:35 | |
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g105b
None 86 posts |
my translator brings up this for his first post. It makes sense apart from the last line: --- Good people, the project is abandoned. I am viewed as the one who makes the mistakes, and I can't work comfortably in these circumstances so the project has been abandoned. There is already a community that can take the project ahead, 3 especially. Greetings, it was a long hard taste. --- long ..... hard ..... taste WTF? [Edited on July 5, 2007 by g105b] ____________ .g105b'' |
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| July 5, 2007, 15:57 | |
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Rincewind
programmer 1545 posts
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The story continues: http://forum.divsite.net/viewthread.php?tid=5212 Apparantly Juan will continue with his own Fenix version, separated from the 'official version'. Just as Slainte was going to do himself later on within the framework he is going to start, I believe. While I doubt a shattered Fenix and a shattered Spanish community do any good, at least we can still follow Juan's versions.  We'll see if anything good comes from this. ____________ Personal website: http://www.loijson.com |
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| July 5, 2007, 17:11 | |
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Quiest
now with more happynes 142 posts 
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Me don`t like this...
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| July 5, 2007, 17:12 | |
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Fiona
games are terrible -9616558 posts 
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Quoting g105b: long ..... hard ..... taste WTF? Those Spanish know what they like... And source-forks are never a good idea. ____________ laffo |
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| July 5, 2007, 19:48 | |
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Transdiv
Whiskered 38 posts |
Quoting Sandman: I wonder what in the world the bad criticism could be...what in (. )( .)'s name could be bad about his additions? And about the topic title: it was intentional. ;) One of the funny criticism was that he is "lazy" because he doesn't write an IDE. ____________ |
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| July 5, 2007, 19:54 | |
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Transdiv
Whiskered 38 posts |
Quoting Fiona: Quoting g105b: long ..... hard ..... taste WTF? Those Spanish know what they like... And source-forks are never a good idea. Those online translators are really funny; maybe a better translation would be : "It was good while it last" (Not sure if understandble in English, but sure better than the above) ____________ |
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| July 5, 2007, 21:37 | |
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Fiona
games are terrible -9616558 posts
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Quoting Transdiv: Quoting Sandman: I wonder what in the world the bad criticism could be...what in (. )( .)'s name could be bad about his additions? And about the topic title: it was intentional. ;) One of the funny criticism was that he is "lazy" because he doesn't write an IDE. Hahaha what the fuck...? ____________ laffo |
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| July 5, 2007, 23:01 | |
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danko
Whiskered 31 posts |
Just to clarify, It's true that Juan has decided to abandon the "official" version of Fenix. He didn't feel well with some people comments, not because of they were negative comments, but the way it were exposed (not constructive comments). Some people started blaming him of starting to show a behaviour of "being the owner of the project and what I say is what it matters". Juan didn't answer very well to this kind of comments so many people got annoyed and the . From my point of view, if Juan continues development by its own, it's going to be the same but with another name. Slainte already announced that he was not going to continue the 1.x series. Although I agree that a shattered Spanish comunity will not do any good for Fenix, since active comunity are concentrated in a few pages (the forum, the fenixwiki and fenixworld), I don't see a reason for this pages to continue to be as active as now (the official webpage seems to be dead for long time ago...). Anyway, I want to talk to Juan personally to see what he actually has on mind. Let's see what happens. [Edited on July 5, 2007 by danko] ____________ |
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| July 6, 2007, 11:28 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts 
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machine translators suck. don't use them, or don't read it literally. Use them to translate ONE word. I think it is pretty stupid to leave for only some bad criticism. Apparently he doesn't give a cucumber
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| July 6, 2007, 14:31 | |
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Kel
Beardless 2 posts |
Hello, as always Danko is faster than me. So now you know Juan has left development of Fenix and it seems there's no way back. He said he's going to make his own fork, with the same gpl license and some internal changes and other name. I hope it goes all well for him, he made an enormous contribution to the community and we are in debt with him for that, but... Fenix is an opensource project, and as that, the problem was that people was asking to contribute and the only programmer developing fenix was Juan...but to contribute in this kind of project is not easy...You have to know how to program compilers, interpreters and manage data and memory, , platform programming, etc.. designing a virtual machine (like fenix) is no trivial task. So I tell you, now fenix has been abandoned and we don't know for how long it will be, or if development will come back soon. The divsite forums are open for everyone to ask questions or help or whatever, we are still shocked by the way Juan left the development... but we still dont know what will be the future of fenix now. Lets hope the fenix bird is reborn from its own fire again. ____________ |
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| July 6, 2007, 15:33 | |
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Transdiv
Whiskered 38 posts |
Well, The situation is not so bad; It looks like Juan wants total control over the project to make the changes he wants (In practical ways, considering he was doing 99% of the work, it would be the same). He is beginning the modularization of the internal code (A tiny core interpreter and all the funcionality via external libraries). Juan is active again in the Forum, the troll that start the fight (Rich23), has been banned a week and the Fork or new Juan's interpreter even has a name : "Bennu" (Hope it does not sound bad in English )
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| July 6, 2007, 16:36 | |
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Rincewind
programmer 1545 posts
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Quoting Kel: Lets hope the fenix bird is reborn from its own fire again. Sharp. Apparantly Fenix has already once been in a situation with a lot of difference versions, when Cebrian stopped development at version 0.7 and a lot of people continued with it in different directions, with Slainte's "Fenix Project" finally becoming the official version again. Quoting Transdiv: Juan's interpreter even has a name : "Bennu" (Hope it does not sound bad in English )I wouldn't dare telling anyone I program in 'Bennu', hehe. It would result in reactions like: "Can you eat that?". [Edited on July 6, 2007 by Rincewind] ____________ Personal website: http://www.loijson.com |
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| July 7, 2007, 04:30 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts
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Quoting Transdiv: Well, The situation is not so bad; It looks like Juan wants total control over the project to make the changes he wants (In practical ways, considering he was doing 99% of the work, it would be the same). Yeah I agree, it's not so bad. Though a shame the advances Juan makes won't be in 'the official Fenix'.Quoting Transdiv: He is beginning the modularization of the internal code (A tiny core interpreter and all the funcionality via external libraries). Oh yes, this is good news. This should have been done earlier in my opinion, so it's good it's going to be done.Quoting Rincewind: Quoting Transdiv: Juan's interpreter even has a name : "Bennu" (Hope it does not sound bad in English I wouldn't dare telling anyone I program in 'Bennu', hehe. It would result in reactions like: "Can you eat that?". )I agree...it does sound a bit strange in English, but perhaps in time... [EDIT] I'm getting used to the name already. [Edited on July 8, 2007 by Sandman] ____________ BennuWiki Yes, my avatar has grey borders in IE (so get a decent browser) ROOFLEZ ROOFLEZ |
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