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April 26, 2009, 01:55
CicTec
Whiskered
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Quoting Square:
And i do not agree. Buying the copyright would make the program legal, in terms of "licensing" the language for a Games Development Suite. Isn't this normal practice? And I do say this because it's true.

mmmm excuse square, I had not seen this, of course, rights must be purchased in any case to make the official program, what you do not need is to purchase the rights to DIV.

I hope that this point is clear now.
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April 26, 2009, 09:51
Mezzmer
Square-theorist
792 posts

No no, I am saying if the Fenix Project came against various problems releasing an open-source language based on DIV it's common sense that you may?
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April 26, 2009, 10:05
CicTec
Whiskered
49 posts
no no, the problem was born with the formats of resources DIV (MAP, FPG, etc. ..).

As I said at the launch was a law to approve patents on file formats, this law would allow FastTrak to obtain exclusivity on the operation of the DIV programs, because if Fenix could not load its format could not be compatible with games DIV.

This law was not approved, then tried to FastTrak some strategy to get the exclusivity.

In the end they found an agreement with the authors of Fenix, remove support for DIV load formats, so Fenix was to create its other formats to be used.

But the language of Fenix could remain like that of DIV or similar, could not do anything here, as I said is not a DIV patented language.
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April 26, 2009, 11:34
Mezzmer
Square-theorist
792 posts

But just because Fenix can load MAPs and FPGs means, next to nothing.

Many free applications can load - in fact were made as utilities for FPG, MAP etc.

What about FPG Maker for instance?

It seems Fasttrack made a "case" against Fenix, and this is quite unfair.

[Edited on April 26, 2009 by Mezzmer]
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April 26, 2009, 11:56
CicTec
Whiskered
49 posts
This is a different discussion ...

Do not know if you have the original manual div2, however in some of them could see final pages in the internal format of FPG, MAP, etc ...

This means that the author of the program or Hammer has released these as public format, this allows other people to write external applications to create, edit and manipulate formats DIV.

Return to the previous speech, a patent gives you a monopoly on one thing, if it were leaving the law on the licenses could FastTrack license formats, this made all the applications created external (including you) were illegal and disappear.

For you continue with your program you had to ask permission to FastTrak, and their possible you could grant this permission if you buy certain rights to their exploitation.

Did I make another example ...

The format of MDL Quake, anyone could create applications for this format without asking for permission to ID software, some time after the ID has the format issued by public license, so now everyone can create applications for this format which has become almost a standard in 3D.
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April 27, 2009, 14:59
Dennis
どこかにいる
2092 posts

Quoting Square:
It seems Fasttrack made a "case" against Fenix, and this is quite unfair.


WTF. They don't do anything with it, then why make a case? :aharr:
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April 29, 2009, 01:16
PEader
お前はもう死んでいる
1486 posts

Quoting Dennis:
Quoting Square:
It seems Fasttrack made a "case" against Fenix, and this is quite unfair.

WTF. They don't do anything with it, then why make a case? :aharr:

At the time they were working on a windows version of Div so they wanted to protect their franchise.
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April 29, 2009, 14:41
Dennis
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2092 posts

<unupdated_mode>Oh so the case is dropped now?
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Kwakkel
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April 30, 2009, 15:23
PEader
お前はもう死んでいる
1486 posts

Quoting Dennis:
<unupdated_mode>Oh so the case is dropped now?

Fenix changed their file structure's to be different from Div Game Studio's.

I'm not sure publishing something in a book means you are giving away rights. This reminds me of the haufman compression debacle when it was published but awaiting patent and lots of people implemented it or something like that.
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April 30, 2009, 18:13
DTM
Earthling!
821 posts

But it's allowable to decompile software "to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs".

That seems to imply that it is fine to use the file formats, to achieve "interoperability". No permission required to read or write other software's files.

So was the problem simply that Fastrak or whoever had lawyers and the Fenixers didn't??
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May 5, 2009, 21:33
Caspah
Gladiator
203 posts
Maybe one of you guys can help me, I'm having trouble with the load function in Gemix:

http://www.gemixstudio.com/for … ?f=66&t=221
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May 6, 2009, 02:34
Sandman
F3n!x0r
1194 posts

The block out of the memory was readen.
Is this some religious thing? Sounds like Josef 11:3 to me.
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May 6, 2009, 11:58
Fiona
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Still better than Fenix's Spanish errors.
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May 6, 2009, 12:00
Dennis
どこかにいる
2092 posts

and better than "The block of memory may not be read!" XD
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May 6, 2009, 18:45
PEader
お前はもう死んでいる
1486 posts

Quoting DTM:
But it's allowable to decompile software "to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs".

That seems to imply that it is fine to use the file formats, to achieve "interoperability". No permission required to read or write other software's files.

So was the problem simply that Fastrak or whoever had lawyers and the Fenixers didn't??

I'm not exactly sure what the problem was. You'd need to ask Mike Green or Slainte.
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May 7, 2009, 13:37
Dennis
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They don't work for Fasttrak anymore so I doubt he still cares to talk about it.
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October 13, 2009, 00:14
CicTec
Whiskered
49 posts
Hi

As requested I update the thread with the new beta 5.6 for those interested to try or use it
http://www.gemixstudio.com/for … ?f=64&t=655

Regards
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October 14, 2009, 10:52
Dennis
どこかにいる
2092 posts

Cool thanks.

I hope someone will use both Bennu and Gemix and tell me what the pros and cons are.

The world is going mobile nowadays so OS-independancy is considered a trump ace.
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October 14, 2009, 21:01
CicTec
Whiskered
49 posts
Hi Dennis

I honestly do not think anyone uses both languages also do not indicate they would know even objectively all the characteristics of both.

My advice is to try both in person, so you can choose which one to use according to the needs of the moment.

Regards.
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February 16, 2011, 09:33
CicTec
Whiskered
49 posts
Hi,

New beta 6.0 available, with lots of news:
- Available platforms Windows, Linux and Mac OS X (intel)

- Major improvements in language as:
--- floating-point support to 32 (float) and 64 (double) bits
--- Compiler options to use C style (array, real operators, conditions, etc ...)
--- Overloading of function blocks
--- Default arguments for function / process
--- Implicit conversions of data and explicit via cast operator

- Increasing the speed of the 2D engine up to 200% and large improvements such as:
--- Render target system, allows you to specify a target graphic rendering for processes, windows mode7, scroll, etc ..., to simulate an infinite number of effects
--- scroll layers
--- fog for mode7

- Library for smooth animations

- New tutorials in the resource section to show the new features.

- And much more.

New license available:
- current BETA: FREE for non-commercial use

- final versions planned:
--- Gemix Studio FREE, free for noncommercial use.
--- Gemix Studio Pro, complete commercial version.

More info here:
http://www.gemixstudio.com/for … f=64&t=1737

Regards.

[Edited on February 16, 2011 by CicTec]
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February 17, 2011, 00:05
Mezzmer
Square-theorist
792 posts

That's what I like to see!

You guys made it free for unlicensed usage! Well done, I completely approve!
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